[split] The SUPER EPIC!! debate about paid MyBB modifications!

[Harry]

(05-13-2010 09:55 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 10:03 AM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  Could you please elaborate why paid plugins are the cause of MyBB's problem? If they suddenly disappeared, would the problems disappear too? Which problems are related to paid plugins? I'd like you to answer these questions in detail if possible, I don't really see any sense in your reply to be honest.
Plus, I haven't seen Yumi saying he left the MyBB website because of paid plugins as you said. Why would someone leave a website because someone else is selling plugins?

Before i answer.. I'll be happy once the horrible nested quotes are done away with.
Anyways..

Lets look at phpbb. Yeah i know some hate that but it brings home the point.
They dont have them. We all know that. Soo..
1. Do you see the same endless drama on their forums? No you do not.
2. They continue to thrive despite having not so great of a script. Think about this. Unsure if you ever used a phpbb forum but i can tell you i have and it is nothing like mybb or near as good.
3. PHPBB has done just fine and continues to do just fine without paid mods/plugins on that site. No issues with donations/sponsers and or supporters. Ofcourse a huge modification community to boot. Sorry but the paid stuff would NOT be missed. And i am near certain that if you or the rest left others ( probably those more into the opensource way such as yumi here )  would fill the gap. A HUGE win for mybb.

Those 3 arguments are in my opinion invalid arguments. We're talking about MyBB, not PHPbb and they can't be compared since they're different in many things.
You haven't actually answered my questions directly, without giving PHPbb's examples which are invalid for this discussion since we're talking about MyBB.
I'm up for Open Source, NewPoints is GPL and so are some of my other projects outside of MyBB.

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  Nobody wants to do anything ( see again yumi ) as far as developing and releasing free stuff anymore and the reason is because of the paid guys and their nasty rotten attitudes and then you have developers/staff involved with the crap as well making it 100x worse. NOT saying you are one of them but everyone and thier mother are well aware of the nasty attitudes of the paid plugin guys at mybb. Read the development sites like Taz etc. Again it is the competitive nature of them that has made for the rotten attitudes because everyone is killing eachother to get ahead or slamming the guy who asks for a free alternative which should NEVER HAPPEN on a opensource project PERIOD but yet it happens constantly. Yeah i have read the crap from one paid plugin author jumping on another paid guy saying they are selling crap etc etc etc. It is totally out of control. So yeah if they did disappear i am 99.9% confident the problems would go away.

No one wants to do free plugins anymore? By looking at the first page I can't see any paid plugins: http://community.mybb.com/forum-102.html
You haven't yet proved how MyBB's problems would disappear. What are exactly MyBB's problems from your point of view?

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  KEEP in mind though as i have mentioned there is some needed changes with the hot heads on the development/staff team as well. Not many really but i wont point fingers at any one person. All i am pretty sure know where the problems are. Again this stuff is well known. In short they need to stick with development and in the background out of the public eye except to help if need be. I do think though the attitudes would lighten up if the paid competitive crap was removed from the community forums. That is because there would be alot less bickering and everything else. All equalls less stress for the developers and rest of the team members. Would probably go a long ways towards improved attitudes that people go on about.

I agree with you on some points. The problem is not just the community but the staff too, however I do not see where paid plugins enter in this problem.
If paid plugins did not exist, the problems would still be there.

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  MYBB when i first arrived ( Sept 2006 ) was a great and friendly place and then the paid crap arrived and changed all that and everything has gone down hill since. Look at who MYBB continues to attract and look at who they dont. The answers are all there.

Various things happened since then, not only the paid plugins "appeared" but other things have changed and I have to agree with Yumi on this.

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  AGAIN i am not saying to have your own sites to sell them but again they need to be removed from the MYBB community all together. wanna advertise them do as all the rest do and use the showcase forum or better yet release some free stuff on mybb and do support at your own sites where people can see the paid stuff you all offer. Ofcourse you have your sigs as well.

Now how about you tell me how any of what i say is wrong IF you think i am that is?  I am almost certain you will and it is pretty obvious as to why. Sorry dude but they need to be removed from the community forums and more encouragement towards the opensource way is what needs to happen.

If MyBB prohibits me from releasing paid plugins on MyBB, I will gladly remove all my paid plugins release threads from their website.

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  MYBB has done a ton to attract more and better users. Great software. They changed the license and still nothing and that leaves the stuff i have mentioned. Thus where the problems are. They can change the license all they want but i can assure you and everyone else that as long as those paid plugins are on that forum MYBB will never be taken serious ( big sponsers etc )  and the problems will continue. Yeah the paid guys chipped in big time for the donation drive for the mybb.com but again that wont mean a thing with things as is.

So, according to you, MyBB will not have big sponsors because of paid plugins? Hmm, that simply makes no sense.

(05-13-2010 10:51 AM)Harry Wrote:  And understand i too love mybb and why it pisses me off to see this. It is a great script and as said support for me has always been great. Thus i don't wanna see it stuck in the shadows because of this paid crap. If i did not care i would not be typing up books for responses and would not say a damn thing. IF mybb would stick with opensource and encourage it i am near certain donations would pick up. I know i would. Why the heck should anyone feel a desire to donate when support/developers etc are charging and or associated with money making off the system?

I can't agree with you on that, MyBB developers are not charging for anything. You sure you know what you're talking about?

You have not disproved anything i said YET. Sorry but phpbb is very relevant to the situation because it is a opensource forum script as well. You don't agree with it because you cannot argue it and rightfully so. It is cool though. And re read what i said. I said connected to ( that means moderate etc at a paid plugin site ) and or have their own paid plugins as far as the developers/support/team members go. It is not as simple as you think. I suggest you learn about who and or why sponsors do what they do. I have worked with them before and clearly know how they operate. It is all about perceptions. MYBB has not made a complete effort towards opensource and that will never change as long as those paid plugins are on that site.

In the end you will NEVER agree because you are one who charges ( so why would you ever agree )  and so lets end it with that and agree to disagree. It is all good and i don't hate you. You are ok in my book. Same cant be said about a few of the others who blow up when this subject comes up and act like total asses.