[split] The SUPER EPIC!! debate about paid MyBB modifications!

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(06-03-2010 09:35 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  

(06-03-2010 07:29 AM)Harry Wrote:  ... Most of what we have today was thanks to the modifcations communities on these forums of days past....

I'm going to show how you're wrong....

Days past?  Days past??
~2006: "MyBB is great software, but there are hardly no mods"

• Do you need proof that people were saying this in 2006?  --> Google it
  

~2009: There are so many FREE mods for MyBB you can hardly keep up with them all.
How many decent, sometimes great, free mods were created by people who also run paid sites?

• Also, how many free ones were created by people who are trying to build a following to support a future paid site?
  

We might never know because Harry has an extreme obsession with Harry's crusade.
or am I wrong?
Does Harry think Harry has an extreme obsession with Harry's crusade?

[Harry]

(06-03-2010 09:35 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  

(06-03-2010 07:29 AM)Harry Wrote:  ...

I can do that if I want to. Just because the FORUM SCRIPT is free, it doesn't mean EXTENSIONS for it must be. (from an ethical point of a view, not license point of view)

(06-03-2010 07:29 AM)Harry Wrote:  ...

I'm going to show how you're wrong.
Imagine I join the team because I want to help the team and advance development. Imagine I would still sell my plugins. I'd get flamed by people like you everytime someone mentioned paid plugins. Not sure what's the fun in joining the team if I'm going to get flamed and blamed for the problems of MyBB.
I'd rather not join the team and continue to develop plugins.

(06-03-2010 07:29 AM)Harry Wrote:  ...

Sure, it's easier to say "Personally i would rather not and just help make MYBB better." than actually forking it, right? I haven't seen you helping MyBB yet, nor forking it.

(06-03-2010 08:35 AM)Harry Wrote:  ...

Not really. Care to elaborate?

Did i say you cant do what you want to? Do yourself a favor and get a REAL JOB that may even make you happy. It is very obvious that you hate this and thus only in it for the money. So please stop with the what i coded and have to support. Great cover story there.

Reason why none of you all want things to change is that fear that you may actually have to do a little work to make that money. Sorry but i am not feeling it.

Lets just end it with this. All you care about is what MYBB can do for your pockets. NOTHING MORE. It is FREE and easy money. Why do i say that? Because of that reply of yours. I can do what i want..blah blah blah.. when nobody said that you couldn't. You are too obvious as to what you care about.

Umm and you also may wanna do a search of MYBB forums. But you keep on assuming what i do or do not do. Yeah i have been back and helping people where i can for a little while. Have been avoiding the frey so to speak. But again keep trying to shift this on me for your self serving needs. Not gonna happen. So best to stop assuming on what i do or do not do.

And yeah this is exactly why you are here. Instead of doing the actual work yourself you come here and get zinga to do it for you. Have you no shame? To come to a site where someone actually doesn't mind sharing and exploring new ideas just to get ideas so you can charge for them? And before you do more assuming. No i have not downloaded anything from here. Maybe when i actually contribute something i will. I know he doesn't ask for that either. So again you wanna play this game of assumptions in a poor attempt to shift blame my way then so will i. So quit with it.

[Pirata Nervo]

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  Did i say you cant do what you want to? Do yourself a favor and get a REAL JOB that may even make you happy. It is very obvious that you hate this and thus only in it for the money. So please stop with the what i coded and have to support. Great cover story there.

Uhh I wonder where you got that idea from. Who said I have no job?

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  Reason why none of you all want things to change is that fear that you may actually have to do a little work to make that money. Sorry but i am not feeling it.

Lets just end it with this. All you care about is what MYBB can do for your pockets. NOTHING MORE. It is FREE and easy money. Why do i say that? Because of that reply of yours. I can do what i want..blah blah blah.. when nobody said that you couldn't. You are too obvious as to what you care about.

Umm and you also may wanna do a search of MYBB forums. But you keep on assuming what i do or do not do. Yeah i have been back and helping people where i can for a little while. Have been avoiding the frey so to speak. But again keep trying to shift this on me for your self serving needs. Not gonna happen. So best to stop assuming on what i do or do not do.

lol I won't just comment that..

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  And yeah this is exactly why you are here. Instead of doing the actual work yourself you come here and get zinga to do it for you. Have you no shame? To come to a site where someone actually doesn't mind sharing and exploring new ideas just to get ideas so you can charge for them? And before you do more assuming. No i have not downloaded anything from here. Maybe when i actually contribute something i will. I know he doesn't ask for that either. So again you wanna play this game of assumptions in a poor attempt to shift blame my way then so will i. So quit with it.

Well now you really pissed me off. If there's someone here that I respect is zinga so you should shut the fuck up and get yourself a real life. What you're doing can be punished by law since you're defaming me. I do not come here to "steal" ideas. I don't need to steal ideas.
Go fuck yourself

[Harry]

(06-04-2010 12:15 AM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  Did i say you cant do what you want to? Do yourself a favor and get a REAL JOB that may even make you happy. It is very obvious that you hate this and thus only in it for the money. So please stop with the what i coded and have to support. Great cover story there.

Uhh I wonder where you got that idea from. Who said I have no job?

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  Reason why none of you all want things to change is that fear that you may actually have to do a little work to make that money. Sorry but i am not feeling it.

Lets just end it with this. All you care about is what MYBB can do for your pockets. NOTHING MORE. It is FREE and easy money. Why do i say that? Because of that reply of yours. I can do what i want..blah blah blah.. when nobody said that you couldn't. You are too obvious as to what you care about.

Umm and you also may wanna do a search of MYBB forums. But you keep on assuming what i do or do not do. Yeah i have been back and helping people where i can for a little while. Have been avoiding the frey so to speak. But again keep trying to shift this on me for your self serving needs. Not gonna happen. So best to stop assuming on what i do or do not do.

lol I won't just comment that..

(06-03-2010 11:37 PM)Harry Wrote:  And yeah this is exactly why you are here. Instead of doing the actual work yourself you come here and get zinga to do it for you. Have you no shame? To come to a site where someone actually doesn't mind sharing and exploring new ideas just to get ideas so you can charge for them? And before you do more assuming. No i have not downloaded anything from here. Maybe when i actually contribute something i will. I know he doesn't ask for that either. So again you wanna play this game of assumptions in a poor attempt to shift blame my way then so will i. So quit with it.

Well now you really pissed me off. If there's someone here that I respect is zinga so you should shut the fuck up and get yourself a real life. What you're doing can be punished by law since you're defaming me. I do not come here to "steal" ideas. I don't need to steal ideas.
Go fuck yourself

Did i say you were STEALING? No i did not. There you go again putting words in my mouth.

Oh and fuck you too. Next time don't assume you little asshole.

[Pirata Nervo]

(06-04-2010 12:44 AM)Harry Wrote:  Did i say you were STEALING? No i did not. There you go again putting words in my mouth.

Oh and fuck you too. Next time don't assume you little asshole.

Yes, you actually did.

Quote:To come to a site where someone actually doesn't mind sharing and exploring new ideas just to get ideas so you can charge for them

Oh and by the way, can you cook? I suppose yes. When you go to a restaurant, don't they cook the food for you? Interesting, you can do it yourself too.

[Harry]

Ummm.. Look at the part NOT BOLDED by you. "Where someone actually don't mind SHARING and exploring new ideas". Thus not stealing.  Hello McFly.

I am a chef by trade. What i did before i do what i do now. So yes i can cook. But still don't see how it relates to plugins on a free forum script?  You are paying for the food the restaurant paid for including the chef they are paying. Nothing is free. How is that anything like using a FREE forum script. But you keep trying.

[Pirata Nervo]

Well I still don't see what the unbolded part has to do with it. Yes zinga shares and explores new ideas, but you said that I come here to get those ideas and to charge for them. That's what you said there.

If the restaurant had free food, would you not eat it just because it's free? What I'm doing is an analogy, thus a lot of things can be applied to this case (downloading free plugins). In this case, they offer food and you eat it even though you were a chef and cooked it for money. Applies to what you described above: I download plugins for free even though I can code them.

[Harry]

The one place i worked at for a number of years had a bar as well. During happy hour we would provide free eats. Also would stay and do it on my own time for other occasions as well. I did it as a way of saying thanks to our loyal customers. Same with the people who owned the restaurant. Maybe it is me but i am still missing your point with this analogy. This actually gets to my point of why not sell My Points? That's your big plugin and thus main thing. Understand what i am saying? Charge for that and use the others for a happy hr type thing. The free happy hour food as well serves as a way to show what great food the place had.   Does that make sense?

I suspect we might be on the same page but for whatever reason might be missing it. Again i don't care if you want to make money. That is on You. That is great if you can make a few bucks off of it. My beef is with how it is done at MYBB. Not following the license and such. And YES i know MYBB is as much to blame as well. They should just enforce the license as is and be done with it.

Seriously. Think about this. All you guys would have to do is make it known that if your work is shared elsewhere that they will no longer get support at your site and nor will they be able to download stuff. Yes the GPL says the code must remain open BUT it does not tell you how to run your site. Understand what i am saying? Sure there might be a person who still releases it but i think you know how that will be viewed by others.

[Pirata Nervo]

(06-04-2010 01:32 AM)Harry Wrote:  The one place i worked at for a number of years had a bar as well. During happy hour we would provide free eats. Also would stay and do it on my own time for other occasions as well. I did it as a way of saying thanks to our loyal customers. Same with the people who owned the restaurant. Maybe it is me but i am still missing your point with this analogy.

Yes you're missing the point. The point is not the bar. You would cook in exchange for money but you could also go to a restaurant (imagine the restaurant was free) and you would food for free which was not cooked by you. Same for me, I can download plugins from here for free even though I make paid plugins.

(06-04-2010 01:32 AM)Harry Wrote:  This actually gets to my point of why not sell My Points? That's your big plugin and thus main thing. Understand what i am saying? Charge for that and use the others for a happy hr type thing. The free happy hour food as well serves as a way to show what great food the place had.   Does that make sense?

The reason I won't do that it's because the point of NewPoints is to be a free points system but the best points system as well.
While MyPS plugins are paid, NewPoints plugins will always be free and so will be the core. (except plugins which generate income like "Buy Points with PayPal") This is what I want for NewPoints.

(06-04-2010 01:32 AM)Harry Wrote:  I suspect we might be on the same page but for whatever reason might be missing it. Again i don't care if you want to make money. That is on You. That is great if you can make a few bucks off of it. My beef is with how it is done at MYBB. Not following the license and such. And YES i know MYBB is as much to blame as well. They should just enforce the license as is and be done with it.

Seriously. Think about this. All you guys would have to do is make it known that if your work is shared elsewhere that they will no longer get support at your site and nor will they be able to download stuff. Yes the GPL says the code must remain open BUT it does not tell you how to run your site. Understand what i am saying? Sure there might be a person who still releases it but i think you know how that will be viewed by others.

And I'm probably going to release all my plugins for free once MyBB 1.6 is out (if they don't change the license) but only give support to paid subscribers.
That way, users can get my plugins for free but if they want help, they must subscribe. Now that I think of it, I might probably do this no matter if they change the license or not.

[Harry]

(06-04-2010 01:40 AM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  The reason I won't do that it's because the point of NewPoints is to be a free points system but the best points system as well.
While MyPS plugins are paid, NewPoints plugins will always be free and so will be the core. (except plugins which generate income like "Buy Points with PayPal") This is what I want for NewPoints.

And I'm probably going to release all my plugins for free once MyBB 1.6 is out (if they don't change the license) but only give support to paid subscribers.
That way, users can get my plugins for free but if they want help, they must subscribe. Now that I think of it, I might probably do this no matter if they change the license or not.

Seriously? I am still not fully up on what that stuff  does and or the point to it. Not saying there is no point in it ( obviously is or wouldn't be in such demand ) i guess i don't understand how something like that would be used.  I have never been a member at a site that uses that sort of thing. I just know it adds a ton of stuff to your site. After reading ( and even seeing in some cases ) what i have about labroccas work i wouldn't use it anyways even if it was free. I'll admit there is a part of me that does not trust him either which yes is related to the fact he runs a hacking site. Not saying he would intentionally do something but it will always leaves a doubt and that is all i need. Same would apply to anyone else who ran a similar site. Why i believe as well that MYBB needs to remove themselves as much as possible from him. They can try and explain it to the cows come home ( which they constantly do to defend it ) but most don't or wont care. That is the worst thing to do. But that gets back to the problems with them. In either case i am glad you are there to provide a option.

Personally i would release whatever it is that the site needs ( Buy Points/Pay pal.. I guess that is what it is for?) so it can make money. That way they have income to help with paying you for other things. MYBB should actually have that in the core. Paid subscriptions or whatever it is. I think it would help bring in more business type sites and as well those who live off of donations. Ofcourse i think this is the plan for 2.0 if i recall correctly?

Anyways.. Good luck with it.