Poll to express opinions concerning Bob Jansen

[Ryan Gordon]

(07-17-2010 04:50 AM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  Conclusion: MyBB staff members (not all)are corrupted by payed plugin authors. Yawn. Old issue. Sorry kids, learn to split business from friendship. We need more mature staff. Practically get rid of them all and keep Imad,PolarBear,MattR, and Justin. S. Kids are fine, when they are mature. I will not let kid to make me fool neither will I let myself to listen kid who is a staff member of some bulletin board. I can bet that getting rid of Ryan Gordon alone would move MyBB to more professional level. I won't let the elitist to come and to tell me I'm wrong. If someone has knowledge on something than good for him. Also, because you're MyBB developers doesn't give you the right to be ignorant and rude. Also instead of tracking threads about MyBB, better develop it and leave that to Ryan Loss ,Gordon. Oh and good luck on robotic constructions.
It's sad that staff members try to redem themselves by coming here.

I honestly give up. Believe what you want, call me immature, retarded, rude, a sad human being. Tell us that the MyBB team is a corrupted bunch of fools who obviously have nothing better to do in their lives then to be corrupted by random individuals who have little relation to what I and my team actually do for MyBB.

No seriously, you win. No joke. You've made your point loud and clear! What will happen now? What's next? What will you do? Where will you go? How will you fill your time, when you don't have us to complain about?

Just for you, I will be more mature and professional

[Technoman]

(07-17-2010 11:46 AM)Ryan Gordon Wrote:  I honestly give up. Believe what you want, call me immature, retarded, rude, a sad human being. Tell us that the MyBB team is a corrupted bunch of fools who obviously have nothing better to do in their lives then to be corrupted by random individuals who have little relation to what I and my team actually do for MyBB.

No seriously, you win. No joke. You've made your point loud and clear! What will happen now? What's next? What will you do? Where will you go? How will you fill your time, when you don't have us to complain about?

Just for you, I will be more mature and professional

Ryan Gordon, right on!

Don't know if you meant to reply to me "but in responce"

Take Special Note To Leadership:  Ryan Gordon, Success is more a function of breaking down the walls we create not the ones others make!

[Bob Jansen]

(07-17-2010 12:05 PM)Technoman Wrote:  

(07-17-2010 08:56 AM)leefish Wrote:  A.I never said I hated you.

B.Merely that if a user was going around my forum calling my mods corrupt and me incompetent there is a HIGH probability that I would have banned that user. That is what you are doing on MYBB.

(Answer)A. No names were mentioned who hates me, But I did say in reply to you that I do have enemies so what! I also said I have made some good friends!

(Answer)B. I use Zinga's forum for public information sharing. Each time a Staff Member of MyBB abuses there Power without valid reason I will start to post here so that others can listen to my situation and also to whats happening over there behind the scenes.
I have never met in my life a such disorganzied Support Team!
They say use the PM SYSTEM if someone or something is bothering you, which I seem to try but that never works and sometimes the Staff don't even return a reply in months or go see A, no B no C no D no E it never ends......... so what are we supposed to do? I got 60% warning in return with 2 messages saying that I was rude (calling BOB JANSEN "a little brat")  thats the truth and does the truth really hurt?

This thread was made right on time in terms of what is happening over at MyBB at this very moment. Thanks Zinga for allowing us to talk and express!

For once can you just call me Bob or Bob Jansen instead of immaturely capping my and other staff names and spelling them wrong on purpose? Second of all did you ever think about the fact that staff stopped returning your PM's or emails? Perhaps because they get tons of PM's and you are spamming their emails and message boxes with messages telling them how to do their jobs at MyBB?

Lastly I respect your views/opinions/thoughts you have about other fellow members and staff at MyBB but that doesn't mean you can simply call someone what ever you want. At least show some respect for your fellow members. We got rules at MyBB and if you would like to be part of MyBB than follow them.

[Lich_king2]

(07-17-2010 11:46 AM)Ryan Gordon Wrote:  

(07-17-2010 04:50 AM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  Conclusion: MyBB staff members (not all)are corrupted by payed plugin authors. Yawn. Old issue. Sorry kids, learn to split business from friendship. We need more mature staff. Practically get rid of them all and keep Imad,PolarBear,MattR, and Justin. S. Kids are fine, when they are mature. I will not let kid to make me fool neither will I let myself to listen kid who is a staff member of some bulletin board. I can bet that getting rid of Ryan Gordon alone would move MyBB to more professional level. I won't let the elitist to come and to tell me I'm wrong. If someone has knowledge on something than good for him. Also, because you're MyBB developers doesn't give you the right to be ignorant and rude. Also instead of tracking threads about MyBB, better develop it and leave that to Ryan Loss ,Gordon. Oh and good luck on robotic constructions.
It's sad that staff members try to redeem themselves by coming here.

I honestly give up. Believe what you want, call me immature, retarded, rude, a sad human being. Tell us that the MyBB team is a corrupted bunch of fools who obviously have nothing better to do in their lives then to be corrupted by random individuals who have little relation to what I and my team actually do for MyBB.

No seriously, you win. No joke. You've made your point loud and clear! What will happen now? What's next? What will you do? Where will you go? How will you fill your time, when you don't have us to complain about?

Just for you, I will be more mature and professional

We're all on this crazy train. Your job is to develop, mine to have forum and to keep it running.

[leefish]

(07-17-2010 10:19 AM)Technoman Wrote:  

(07-17-2010 08:56 AM)leefish Wrote:  A.I think that English is maybe not your first language?

B.Or you are a drama llama.

(Answer)A.Could you check my english? (Maybe I type to fast?)

Oh sorry, given the unusual grammatical construction of your posts and the frequent misspellings/use of incorrect words I thought that you were ESL. Maybe you do type too fast. As this is a forum and not a chat room you can always take more time writing your posts. That way you will be able to clearly and concisely make your point.

However, you being a native english speaker or not was not really the point of this thread so my apologies for taking the discussion off topic.

[Pirata Nervo]

lol @ technoman response, I can't really be bothered to quote it right now. It looks like this forum has become your personal blog for when you disagree with someone at MyBB.

I'll also say what I hate about the MyBB team. I agree with some people here that freedom of speech is something that does not exist on MyBB, or at least it does not exist on some occasions.
Don't tell me it's because of the thread getting out of control because it's not. I've seen many threads being closed for no reason, even when someone was talking to a staff member and then the staff member suddenly closed the thread leaving the user without permissions to respond
This is really frustrating and stupid in my opinion. Don't ask me for examples because I can't be bothered to go there and search.

This is probably the thing I hate the most on the MyBB team.
As for the community, I really have no patience to be part of a community where probably 90% of it is younger than 16 (<= 15) which is exactly the most terrible age of teenagers.

I'm also tired of hearing people saying the team is corrupted by paid plugin authors, because most of the users who say this just do not like developers to sell plugins only because they do not have money to pay for them or just for the sake of it!
[sarcasm]And because I could care less [/sarcasm] I will no longer sell plugins once MyBB 1.6 is out (except plugins like MyDownloads or other plugins which allow admins to sell things) and only give support to subscribers.

And if people do not like that I won't support my plugins to non subscribers, I say **** it. I'm tired of all this and if people keep complaining I'll just leave MyBB and move to something else. A hobby is not supposed to be a nightmare but it is what all this has become now.

[Lich_king2]

(07-17-2010 09:41 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  lol @ technoman response, I can't really be bothered to quote it right now. It looks like this forum has become your personal blog for when you disagree with someone at MyBB.

I'll also say what I hate about the MyBB team. I agree with some people here that freedom of speech is something that does not exist on MyBB, or at least it does not exist on some occasions.
Don't tell me it's because of the thread getting out of control because it's not. I've seen many threads being closed for no reason, even when someone was talking to a staff member and then the staff member suddenly closed the thread leaving the user without permissions to respond
This is really frustrating and stupid in my opinion. Don't ask me for examples because I can't be bothered to go there and search.

This is probably the thing I hate the most on the MyBB team.
As for the community, I really have no patience to be part of a community where probably 90% of it is younger than 16 (<= 15) which is exactly the most terrible age of teenagers.

I'm also tired of hearing people saying the team is corrupted by paid plugin authors, because most of the users who say this just do not like developers to sell plugins only because they do not have money to pay for them or just for the sake of it!
[sarcasm]And because I could care less [/sarcasm] I will no longer sell plugins once MyBB 1.6 is out (except plugins like MyDownloads or other plugins which allow admins to sell things) and only give support to subscribers.

And if people do not like that I won't support my plugins to non subscribers, I say **** it. I'm tired of all this and if people keep complaining I'll just leave MyBB and move to something else. A hobby is not supposed to be a nightmare but it is what all this has become now.

Excuse me, but we're using open source software and not some half-payed crapware. MyBB is great platform. But hear my words, if I want to buy something, I want to buy a script or system. Sorry, this isn't Iphone where you can charge for apps. I don't want in any way to sponsor some kid and to give him money for developing some plugins that are built on the open source system. Sorry but recent MyBB license change showed me who has the last word there and what kind of people are running it.

[Pirata Nervo]

(07-18-2010 12:27 AM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  

(07-17-2010 09:41 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  lol @ technoman response, I can't really be bothered to quote it right now. It looks like this forum has become your personal blog for when you disagree with someone at MyBB.

I'll also say what I hate about the MyBB team. I agree with some people here that freedom of speech is something that does not exist on MyBB, or at least it does not exist on some occasions.
Don't tell me it's because of the thread getting out of control because it's not. I've seen many threads being closed for no reason, even when someone was talking to a staff member and then the staff member suddenly closed the thread leaving the user without permissions to respond
This is really frustrating and stupid in my opinion. Don't ask me for examples because I can't be bothered to go there and search.

This is probably the thing I hate the most on the MyBB team.
As for the community, I really have no patience to be part of a community where probably 90% of it is younger than 16 (<= 15) which is exactly the most terrible age of teenagers.

I'm also tired of hearing people saying the team is corrupted by paid plugin authors, because most of the users who say this just do not like developers to sell plugins only because they do not have money to pay for them or just for the sake of it!
[sarcasm]And because I could care less [/sarcasm] I will no longer sell plugins once MyBB 1.6 is out (except plugins like MyDownloads or other plugins which allow admins to sell things) and only give support to subscribers.

And if people do not like that I won't support my plugins to non subscribers, I say **** it. I'm tired of all this and if people keep complaining I'll just leave MyBB and move to something else. A hobby is not supposed to be a nightmare but it is what all this has become now.

Excuse me, but we're using open source software and not some half-payed crapware. MyBB is great platform. But hear my words, if I want to buy something, I want to buy a script or system. Sorry, this isn't Iphone where you can charge for apps. I don't want in any way to sponsor some kid and to give him money for developing some plugins that are built on the open source system. Sorry but recent MyBB license change showed me who has the last word there and what kind of people are running it.

Sure you're entitled to your own opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

[exdiogene]

I totally agree with all what Pirata Nervo have written!

I have been on MyBB forums for a year and i had several bad interactions with the staff using Private Messages when i was a victim of an erroneous thread deletion, because the staff person believed that my thread was not allowed there by the rules and he was wrong because he refered to the rules of another forum...

No need to say that i needed to write many PMs to get at the bottom of it and finally get someone tell me that i was right, but i never got any apologies and never saw any restoration of my thread that took over an hour of work to do. I have simply been told to "rewrite it", the rules were soon changed on that forum to prevent such postings afterward...

I can honestly tell that the final action of staff when they are at fault is to stop communicating with you and/or deleting any references on the forums incriminating them and/or closing a thread were they feel any heat against them.

The most shocking thing about that is that they have the impudence to tell members to resolve staff issues in private when then do not really care to have a mature and constructive conversation up to a logical and good resolution. And contrarely as what they will make believe everyone, the resolution do not have to be exactly what a member would propose, but a good one for the community and not only to save the face of guilty staff members!

I am actually waiting 2 replies from Matt Rogowski about 2 different issues, meantime days are passing and i see him having time to post multiple messages on the forum but not having the time to respond to me. I just hope it is because, in the background, he try to get a good solution to both problems...

Overall most of the staff are a great deception to me, and i will not write names at the moment. But i have to write both messages that MyBB administration sent to the public :

"1: They want to get great sponsors for growing even more in the forum applications world competition and want to look more mature and professionnal."

"2: They do not want any criticism about their staff in public, they will punish or ban the one doing it, they will tell you that they will not get involved in staff problems in PMs, they will tell you that they will not loose their time discussing about staff issues, they continue to hire irresponsible kids in their staff were some of them are quite immature, incompetent and have proven to be thiefs and liars, they let be created and even participate in threads about Eating living human flesh for just the heck of it and many more other aberations threads.".

These two behaviors and messages are totally incompatible together and this is only demonstrating that the administration is not lucid enough to clean up their act and let honestly be MyBB what they want to be.

I really hope that Chris Boulton the "Founder of MyBB" will at some point assume his responsabilities about his staff team and officially write what is the actual philosophical and professional position of the MyBB project. Is it a free for all, funny and ludic project for kids, or is it a growing mature and professional package dedicated mostly for an adult audience.

Meantime all what is happening on their forums are a complete censorhiped farce dominated by kids and administrated by kids having no sense of RESPONSABILITIES and LIABILITY.

Any person hiring or asking to volunteer, under 18 years old, have the responsibility of them as their temporarely tutor in most countries law system. So the adults beeing part of MyBB staff have to consider that they are LIABLE for their actions and have to take any measures to prevent that any arm is comming from them or to them. It seem that with the virtual anonymity inherent with the actual internet, they seem to believe that they are aleviated from these responsabilities but by law and morality they are not!

I really hope that one day, before it is too late for the welfare of the MyBB project, that some people of the staff or administration will try to do some constructive and human corrections to the actual system so all new MyBB user could have the feeling that they are in a responsible, mature and professionnal community, not what we could see for over a year and mostly recently.

My first recommendation would be to get rid of the "chit-chat" section , since it is the one posing the most problems principaly encouraging kids to debate on non related MyBB issues and often ridiculising the MyBB project...

I will stop here because i could write pages and pages, without even knowing if it still worth it. But contrarely to some "Lead" staff members, the wellbeeing of MyBB is more important to me than it is seem to be for them...

Sincerely,

Exdiogene

[Technoman]

(07-17-2010 05:39 PM)Bob Jansen Wrote:  For once can you just call me Bob or Bob Jansen instead of immaturely capping my and other staff names and spelling them.

In all other instances from now on I will spell your name on how I see it fit  "MyBB Brat" this will be easier to remember for me and all the rest of us.

(07-17-2010 05:39 PM)Bob Jansen Wrote:  you are spamming their emails and message boxes with messages telling them how to do their jobs at MyBB?

Important private messages aren't taken seriously over at MyBB, nobody has time over at MyBB to read our PM's at all concering important matters and concerns. Here were trying to identify the person or parties responsible for the PM system, and anybody seems to care over at MyBB.

(07-17-2010 05:39 PM)Bob Jansen Wrote:  A. At least show some respect for your fellow members.

B. We got rules at MyBB and if you would like to be part of MyBB than follow them.

A. the definition between some good fellow members and other STaffers of some sort of a cult that I have seen – does the thread you posted in about eating people alive somehow ring a bell to you?

B.  I do follow MyBB RULES, It’s quite hard work getting MyBB to see that, but we would have the majority of a win so far in our community in favour vote to have you and a whole lot of other MyBB Staffers removed from this  "Deceitful MyBB Team" by the President himself of MyBB<chris bolton>.

(07-17-2010 06:17 PM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  Your job is to develop

Have you ever thought... Maybe that "Tension" develops because responsibilities appear to overly change and overlap every 24hrs over at  MyBB.com forum as we speak.

(07-17-2010 09:41 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  As for the community, I really have no patience to be part of a community where probably 90% of it is younger than 16 (<= 15) which is exactly the most terrible age of teenagers.

100% Agree full heartedly!

(07-17-2010 09:41 PM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  [sarcasm]And because I could care less [/sarcasm] I will no longer sell plugins once MyBB 1.6 is out (except plugins like MyDownloads or other plugins which allow admins to sell things) and only give support to subscribers.

And if people do not like that I won't support my plugins to non subscribers, I say **** it. I'm tired of all this and if people keep complaining I'll just leave MyBB and move to something else. A hobby is not supposed to be a nightmare but it is what all this has become now.

There are many others thinking exaclty the same like you, so this should be a wake up call to MyBB.

(07-18-2010 12:27 AM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  Excuse me, but we're using open source software and not some half-payed crapware.

What would happen if every MyBB coder and MyBB plugin authour were to consider boycotting MyBB and they created there own union? Then what would happen? Then what would you do?

(07-18-2010 12:27 AM)Lich_king2 Wrote:  Sorry but recent MyBB license change showed me who has the last word there and what kind of people are running it.

Can you be more specific when you say in terms of whom are the "people are running it" ?

(07-18-2010 12:41 AM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  I'll also say what I hate about the MyBB team. I agree with some people here that freedom of speech is something that does not exist on MyBB, or at least it does not exist on some occasions.
Don't tell me it's because of the thread getting out of control because it's not.

This is exaclty right on the point of why we have no choice but to talk freely on this matter of concern on Zinga's forum! If this discussion was happening over on MyBB right now we would all be banned by now with 100% warnings!

(07-18-2010 12:41 AM)Pirata Nervo Wrote:  And if people do not like that I won't support my plugins to non subscribers, I say **** it. I'm tired of all this and if people keep complaining I'll just leave MyBB and move to something else. A hobby is not supposed to be a nightmare but it is what all this has become now.

Loads of people in Developemnt are thinking the same as you from what I been hearing.

(07-18-2010 01:16 AM)exdiogene Wrote:  I totally agree with all what Pirata Nervo have written!

100% Agreed

(07-18-2010 01:16 AM)exdiogene Wrote:  the rules were soon changed on that forum to prevent such postings afterward...

No matter how hard we try today, MyBB will keep changing the rules so we never really will fit in. Think of it  this way maybe MyBB won't allow us soon to post new threads, or MyBB may not allow us to post replies....

(07-18-2010 01:16 AM)exdiogene Wrote:  I can honestly tell that the final action of staff when they are at fault is to stop communicating with you and/or deleting any references on the forums incriminating them and/or closing a thread were they feel any heat against them.

MyBB has gotten to its current state, where STAFFERS are distrustful to one another.  It is not surprising to me that this hateful and deceitful signs are being promoted by Ryan Gordon.
Again the fault lies squarely at the feet of management!  You just get and idea of the feedback here on how well MyBB Leadership and the Staffers are communicating.

(07-18-2010 01:16 AM)exdiogene Wrote:  I am actually waiting 2 replies from Matt Rogowski about 2 different issues, meantime days are passing and i see him having time to post multiple messages on the forum but not having the time to respond to me. I just hope it is because, in the background, he try to get a good solution to both problems...

I agree with you that it is hard not to despise the management of MyBB for all their failings

(07-18-2010 01:16 AM)exdiogene Wrote:  I will stop here because i could write pages and pages, without even knowing if it still worth it. But contrarely to some "Lead" staff members, the well beeing of MyBB is more important to me than it is seem to be for them...

I agree me to...........

One last thing,  this will leave MyBB Team and its Software with such a bad taste in everyone's mouth that Newbies and others won't even go back to MyBB site again.