(06-27-2010 08:19 PM)ZiNgA BuRgA Wrote: (06-27-2010 04:04 PM)Technoman Wrote: No, this is the whole point, if we dont lay rules down now and let them get away with it now, what will our futur as parents be like or the kids of the futur? No rules No Regulations?
Its better to teach them now the right from the wrong so that they can teach there own children of there futur the same.
So that there is a constant flow of rules...
You're over generalising.
The whole point in being a teenager is to break rules, is it not?
This has nothing to do with knowing whether something is right or not - they're not braindead.
I'm sure practically every teen knows they shouldn't be looking at porn, but do you think they care?
Should parents be so draconian to remove their kids' wants of personal privacy?
(06-27-2010 04:23 PM)Harry Wrote: Thus they cannot legally enforce copyright or anything else.
Copyright is peculiar in that it's automatic. You don't need to sign anything to own copyright over something.
(06-27-2010 04:23 PM)Harry Wrote: However if the author is of age and has a signed contract then you better believe they can pursue the matter in court.
Can doesn't mean they will. Litigation is an expensive and tiresome process, especially in common law countries like the US.
You need to stop thinking about law and more on the realities in an open source community.
(06-27-2010 04:23 PM)Harry Wrote: Same thing for the buyer. The buyer cannot legally hold a minor responsible because any such contract with a minor is void because the minor cannot sign a legal binding contract. It does not matter what you are doing on or offline.
There are, of course, exceptions. For example, a kid can go into a store and buy a lolly. Legally, that is considered a contract.
(06-27-2010 04:23 PM)Harry Wrote: Too many on here try and get around that by doing basically what you did. Not saying you meant any harm either. There is laws that cover this stuff on the net but most just don't understand or ignore them.
Online, it's much more difficult to enforce things. For one, the two parties may not exist in the same country, and then it can be a little unclear over what rights each party has.
Getting it to work can be very costly and time consuming. Reasonable people generally don't bother, unless they can potentially (and with a reasonably good chance) win a large reward for the effort.
$10 subscription fee? No way anyone's gonna take that to court.
I suppose not unless the 10 buck product really causes some damage somehow? Point is the person selling it claiming this and that and is a minor is lying to begin with. Surely you are not gonna defend lying? In this regard technoman has a point. They should be doing it the correct way and not half ass.
And sorry but buying something from a store is completely irrelevant to this. They are not being asked to SIGN a contract. All they are doing is handing over money to the cashier and not signing a thing. Thus the difference. This btw is why i have been a huge advocate of people charging for support vs the plugin/theme. Don't have to get into a binding contract. If people want the support they will pay up. Putting a different license ( non GPL ) etc for said plugin/theme involves a binding contract. As is if i were to buy something from someone not of age i could do whatever i like including slapping my own copyright on it and making it my own. That is because the kid is not of age to do such a thing. Usually why young actors, artist etc have a adult handle their stuff till they become of age. Understand now?
Still though open source or not once you bring in a commercial environment the door opens to this stuff. Open source alone? No i highly doubt it as well. This is why most who run online businesses will go to IPB/vB instead. Called peace of mind as everything is above water. I honestly don't think a few will ever get it and no it is not me making a big deal. People DO pay attention to this stuff especially when they have a business and or a professional as well. The main issue is how MYBB has done this. It has been terrible to say the least. And YES i know they are trying to clean it up some. However it will do very little if not more thought is poured into it.
How i would do it if they go with the LGPL and perhaps do a site for those who wanna charge..
Make sure everyone of them selling/Non GPL license is of legal age. This protects MYBB and the person looking to purchase whatever plugin/theme it is. MYBB starts handing out trusted developer ( or whatever it is ) and hosting stuff by people LYING about stuff such as copyrights etc MYBB is gonna look bad and yes put them at risk. People are gonna call it a joke. Not to mention as mentioned above if anyone wants they can steak the work and call it their own ( if a adult ) because there is no copyright etc on it because it was done by a minor who cannet be held to a binding contract. Those guys wanna do it the right way then get their mom/dad ( adult ) to handle the license etc of said product. This applies to those selling and or non GPL stuff. Great thing about the GPL is you don't have to worry about that stuff. With GPL everything is as is and all is free to do whatever they like with it. GPL is a non binding contract and thus the difference because you are free to do whatever with it unlike a closed license which puts stipulations on it and thus a BINDING contract.
Ofcourse if MYBB stays with and enforces the GPL all of this is moot. All MYBB really has to do is remove the closed license stuff from the site and nothing more. Guess the bigger question is exactly how many underage are already doing this and thus have not taking the proper steps? As mentioned they could charge for support instead.
Either way MYBB needs to not do it half assed no matter what they do. They need to find someone to bring on the team that has a good understanding of these matters. That way it is done right.
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